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Re: Philosophical feedback appreciated     

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Author: Go 4th
Date: Apr 9, 2008 12:00

... the phenomenal entities of that subjective map back out on the world as objective sense data, of which we have direct perceptual knowledge. So reality independent of thought is first subjectified, then the subjectified elements are objectified to explain and justify our knowledge." Surely this entire system assumes an "external world" -- i.e. a "reality" independent of any ...
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Re: Knowledge Of Time     

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Author: malenoid
Date: Dec 24, 2007 08:47

... explanation of what "10 minutes ago" actually means. On that I could only speculate, perhaps give some idea of it, and open the idea up for discussion. If your goal is to challenge me to subjectify an objective notion of time, I will just state that "10 minutes ago" consists in both subjective and objective elements. The very ability to represent "10 minutes ago" to yourself, as a thought, ...
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Re: Buddha is teacher     

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Author: brian fletcher
Date: Aug 28, 2007 08:25

... is not an opinion. They either meant it a way, or not. They said it, or not. This entire debate between yourself and I is a misunderstanding of me asking a person to stop subjectifying fact. I'm not trying to change his mind, just trying to get him to make sense. This misunderstanding cause of all human conflict. You are trying to align his plane of reality with yours. ...
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Re: Buddha is teacher     

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Author: Joe Smith
Date: Aug 26, 2007 02:44

..., once again, that is not an opinion. They either meant it a way, or not. They said it, or not. This entire debate between yourself and I is a misunderstanding of me asking a person to stop subjectifying fact. I'm not trying to change his mind, just trying to get him to make sense. Buddha did say that any could achieve what he had, but not Christ. No possibility of ...
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Re: Subject and Object     

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Author: SleepyHead
Date: Mar 13, 2007 08:32

..., since language is an objectifying activity. Subjectifying too. Only by objectifying the subject. Well objectifying the subject subjectifies the object. So you've got a... of both objectifying the subject and subjectifying the object. "Which comes first" out ...Which came first objectifying the subject or subjectifying the object?", although we both know ...
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Re: Subject and Object     

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Author: SleepyHead
Date: Mar 13, 2007 07:08

..., since language is an objectifying activity. Subjectifying too. Only by objectifying the subject. Well ... subject and object, language is both an objectifying and subjectifying activity. If you want objectifying can come first in the ... that is "Which came first objectifying the subject or subjectifying the object?", although we both know that the distinction...
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Re: Subject and Object     

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Author: SleepyHead
Date: Mar 13, 2007 05:26

... distinction, since language is an objectifying activity. Subjectifying too. Only by objectifying the subject. Well seeing as...subject and object, language is both an objectifying and subjectifying activity. If you want objectifying can come first in ...that is "Which came first objectifying the subject or subjectifying the object?", although we both know that the distinction ...
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Re: Subject and Object     

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Author: SleepyHead
Date: Mar 13, 2007 05:24

... distinction, since language is an objectifying activity. Subjectifying too. Only by objectifying the subject. Well seeing as...subject and object, language is both an objectifying and subjectifying activity. If you want objectifying can come first in ...that is "Which came first objectifying the subject or subjectifying the object?", although we both know that the distinction ...
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Re: Subject and Object     

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Author: SleepyHead
Date: Mar 13, 2007 04:59

... entrenches the distinction, since language is an objectifying activity. Subjectifying too. Only by objectifying the subject. I mean: Language is .... Therefore it contains the possibilities of both objectifying the subject and subjectifying the object. "Which comes first" out of objectifying the subject and subjectifying the object is a chicken-and-egg question: What comes ...
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Re: Subject and Object     

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Author: SleepyHead
Date: Mar 13, 2007 04:44

... we have some practical experiments to be going on with. All speech about subject and object further entrenches the distinction, since language is an objectifying activity. Subjectifying too. Only by objectifying the subject. And no words either. No discussion. No problem for which no resolution is required. No article to read and critique, no ...
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