... much like they were saying: Remember the M25? It's still quicker to get from one side of London to the other than it was before it was built. So it's still doing its job, at the moment. Despite now requiring two more lanes at enormous expense? Shows just how succesful it is. And how essential the inner Ringways (the ones that didn't get built) were.

... in which you live, a run down street in run down town bisected by a noisy motorway, near a noisy railway, a stone's thow from the noisy A6, overflown by screaming jets heading for Ringway and Woodford, polluted beyond belief, not your income. Still it's handy for the pubs, I suppose, or possibly within staggering distance of several pubs. Yet he still has to take his bike! ...

... early seventies, just around the time all the new development was underway. They tore down the old bus station and built the new and ripped out a lot of the heart of the town and built roads and ringways. Last time I visited my old home town was in 1991 and I hardly recognised it. I did like the renovation of the Miller Arcade and they still hadn't pulled down my old local, the Black Horse ...

...162230@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, Boltar <boltar2003@yahoo.co.uk> writes as the M23 originally supposed to have continued further north than it does now? Yes, it was to have continued as far as Balham, from where spurs would have connected it to the inner London Ringway ("London Motorway Box"). In which case it really WOULD have become the 'Gateway to the South'

... M23 originally supposed to have continued further north than it does now? Yes, it was to have continued as far as Balham, from where spurs would have connected it to the inner London Ringway ("London Motorway Box"). The only bits of the latter to be built were the sections either side of the Blackwall Tunnel, plus the tiny bit of (former) motorway from Westway down to the Shepherd's...

... airports but perhaps I've got that wrong too. Any information herzlich willkommen. -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= Old enough to remember when MAN was still Ringway and had Alcock and Brown's biplane hanging up in the departure hall By the way, you'll get a much more authoritative answer if you have a look at PPrune.

...but perhaps I've got that wrong too. Any information herzlich willkommen. -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= Old enough to remember when MAN was still Ringway and had Alcock and Brown's biplane hanging up in the departure hall Simplisticly? You do! You pay the airline and the airline pays the air traffic control provider. In ...

...? I've always assumed that ATC at origin and destination is paid for through landing charges at the destination airports but perhaps I've got that wrong too. Any information herzlich willkommen. -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= Old enough to remember when MAN was still Ringway and had Alcock and Brown's biplane hanging up in the departure hall

....google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=51.382013,-0.12222... I once heard that a building either at or near Croydon Airport has the word NO written on so as to advise pilots that they are not approaching Gatwick. In Manchester there is a building near the station carrying a large UMIST sign - put up no doubt to advise pilots landing at Ringway that they were too far north :-)

... Barnes to Gipsy Lane junction with Queens Ride. It looks relatively cheap and inobtrusive for such a useful road. The Greater London Plan of the 1940s suggested a similar alignment for "Ringway 2" (more or less following the railway from Putney, through Barnes and then on the alignment of the Hounslow loop line to Chiswick - I don't think it was ever clear whether it...