"Padraic Brown" randy But clearly Jesus came to set up a new religion. I don't think he did. I don't see a whole of evidence for the new religion *from* him. I do see plenty of evidence of the new religion his followers devised. And of course, we all see the evidence for what that new religion has become. Jesus came as a kind of undercover messiah. He did not deny his role, and

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:10:22 -0700, "randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote: "Padraic Brown" randy If God says we have need for external manifestations of religions, Since he didn't come here with a new religion in hand, and in fact overturned traditional modes of religion, I conclude that, whether or not we perceive a need for something, we don't really need religion.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:33:27 -0700, "randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote: "Padraic Brown" randy ....why should she feel all loved by the religion that hates hers and declares its own victory over hers, declares hers dead and meaningless?... Who said Christianity "hates" Judaism? Your posts exemplify it far too frequently. Yes, some Christians have felt a godly

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:02:04 -0700, "randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote: "Padraic Brown" randy Ro 11:22...Ro 16:7...Ro 16:17...2Th 3:14 The above are classic examples of how Paul justified "labelling" people. It has nothing whatsoever to do with (mis)labelling people. It teaches you to avoid people who you feel "create dissension" and who refuse to acknowledge Saul

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:29:00 -0700, "randy" <rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote: "Padraic Brown" randy Ro 11:22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. Ro 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners; they