... do with pre-existence prevents existing beings from benefitting from their...pointing out that some beings benefit from decent lives of positive...to* an entity. Coming into existence cannot happen *to* an entity...insure that the experience of life is possitive, or "good". But...good we call it a benefit. Now you can see from...can't be called a benefit, *unless* you are waxing rhetorically...

...> the only Goo . . . wears the "pre-existent animals" tag.   "When the entity...existence we know" - Goo "when it moves from "pre-existence" into the life we can detect" ...not be as good as the "pre-existence" state was" - Goo "These ...and unborn animals" - Goo "coming into existence didn't make me better off... he REALLY believes in the pre-existent state while he screams in...

... that's not alive can benefit It can't, that's...in order for anything to benefit it first must be alive...say, which proves that coming to life itself cannot be a...You tried explaining why pre-existent animals don't benefit from...never been talking about existing animals benefiting from anything.  YOU, Goo...will suffer if "vegan" succeed in preventing them from coming into...

... in order for anything to benefit it first must be alive,... You tried explaining why pre-existent animals don't benefit from ... how that prevents existing animals from benefiting from existence. I did,...*to* an entity. Coming into existence cannot happen *to* an entity,... can't be called a benefit, *unless* you are waxing rhetorically, using it to mean "Life is Wonderful". It isn't...

... someone could argue that if people take birth control this may not benifit those -beings- who wouldn't be born. Which raises the question of why it relevant or important whether people are born or not. Only if something is born can any meaning be applied to it's existence, things that are never born never have an impact and for fatalists, these things were never meant to be born!

...@email.com> wrote: <dh@.> wrote Life is the benefit which makes all others ... something that's not alive can benefit It can't, that's precisely ..., in order for anything to benefit it first must be alive, as you say, which proves that coming to life itself cannot be a benefit. Of course we have gone over this...a fact when you say "life is the benefit that makes all others...

On Jun 20, 7:27 am, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote: <dh@.> wrote    Life is the benefit which makes all others possible, I get it, you're determined to ride this fallacy all the way to the grave. Fine. Boobs is time wasting. You better do something about that.

<dh@.> wrote Life is the benefit which makes all others possible, I get it, you're determined to ride this fallacy all the way to the grave. Fine.

...else about pre-existence prevents existing beings from benefitting from their...You never were talking about existing beings Of course that's...pigeon-shooters than not to exist at all, Mr. W. E...the abyss of the non-existent, he talks nonsense, by predicating...less happy than the present existence; and thus equally the argument...considered, nor did I purchase life on condition of my own...

... in 1914. Many legitimate arguments exist for the humane use of ... believe that experiencing a decent life of positive value is better ... their lives. If by "benefiting from life" you mean deriving some...take this innate juice of life and use it as a...pre-existence or/and that of any other entity is preventing...you insist on saying that existence itself justifies raising beings then...