..., By sorrow and care's dismay, - How shall the summer arise in joy, Or the summer fruits appear? Or how shall we gather what griefs destroy, Or bless the mellowing year, When the blasts of winter appear? http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/blake/schoolboy.html Let's take a lesson from Jesus and the US Army and have groups of 12 as the maximum. -tg Works for me.