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Author: Publius
Date: Sep 4, 2008 16:51

... other statists -- you need the state to force other people to ... So to call the state your "enemy" is of course ridiculous.... control, just like your arch enemies, the liberals. Of course, you ... using the power of the state to control people the way ... other minarchists wish to control? States will become increasingly unnecessary as ... but the need for the State (or some equivalent) will not...
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Author: ta
Date: Sep 4, 2008 14:36

...than other statists -- you need the state to force other people to submit.... So to call the state your "enemy" is of course ridiculous.... control, just like your arch enemies, the liberals. Of course, you ... using the power of the state to control people the way ...'s like magic. <wink States will become increasingly unnecessary as ..., but who ultimately need the state to do their bidding. They ...
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Author: Day Brown
Date: Sep 4, 2008 08:06

Shrikeback@gmail.com wrote: Of course, we owe the creation of civilization itself to the State as well. Face it, all of it was created by slavery and despotism. That's not the only way. But yes, the history is obscure. Or Pre-history of the dozen Anatolian cities that emerged 10,000 years ago. They looked like adobe pueblos, with thousands of people. but there's no ...
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Author: turtoni
Date: Aug 30, 2008 18:18

... -0500, Publius wrote: But the State is surely the most destructive ... by itself. Like people, "THE STATE" comes in many forms. True, ... coercive. "Government is sometimes an enemy and sometimes a friend. Government ...At times, governments are aligned with our religious, economic and social views,... providing lifelong social security. As our societies have become more complex,...
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Author: jigo
Date: Aug 29, 2008 08:04

....10.51.27@X.net... On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:43:50 -0500, Publius wrote: But the State is surely the most destructive social institution humans have ever devised, hands down. It is in a class by itself. Like people, "THE STATE" comes in many forms. True, but most of those forms are bad by any reasonable definition of the term....
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Author: ZerkonX
Date: Aug 29, 2008 03:32

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:43:50 -0500, Publius wrote: But the State is surely the most destructive social institution humans have ever devised, hands down. It is in a class by itself. Like people, "THE STATE" comes in many forms.
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Author: turtoni
Date: Aug 29, 2008 02:27

...com: Of course, we owe the creation of civilization itself to the State as well. My only disagreement, Shrike. Civilization emerged first, but the State appeared shortly thereafter. See the "Origins of Politics" thread. But the State is surely the most destructive social institution humans have ever devised,...
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Author: tooly
Date: Aug 29, 2008 02:05

....com: Of course, we owe the creation of civilization itself to the State as well. My only disagreement, Shrike. Civilization emerged first, but the State appeared shortly thereafter. See the "Origins of Politics" thread. But the State is surely the most destructive social institution humans have ever devised, hands ...
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Author: Publius
Date: Aug 27, 2008 13:43

....com: Of course, we owe the creation of civilization itself to the State as well. My only disagreement, Shrike. Civilization emerged first, but the State appeared shortly thereafter. See the "Origins of Politics" thread. But the State is surely the most destructive social institution humans have ever devised, hands down. It is...
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Author: Shrikeback
Date: Aug 27, 2008 12:25

... to appreciate the attitude towards the State expressed in the header, however. The...as invasions by other, presumably worse, States. Of course, we owe the creation...slavery and despotism. So our relationship with the State is not entirely as...but is more symbiotic than that. States that bleed their hosts completely dry...It is not even society. The State that encompasses an entire society is...
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