... stories to meet that demand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphenomenalism#Arguments_against "If it is a problem how mental events can causally ... physical events have some sort of primacy over mental ones. If epiphenomenalism is really nothing but a way of rescuing dualism, then ... the same causal powers as the brain, by Leibniz's law." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphenomenalism

... than that. Thus we confabulate many stories to meet that demand. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See (for links):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphenomenalism Since qualia, or the subjective sense or feeling of existing, results from and necessarily requires an ongoing process and other such forms or ...

...pangs of jealousy....[1] " According to epiphenomenalism, mental states like Pierre's pleasurable... Bereitschaftspotential undermine, rather than support, epiphenomenalism. Such experiments rely on the ...a response. Such a premise contradicts epiphenomenalism, which claims that conscious experience ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphenomenalism -- Frederick Martin McNeill Poway, California, ...

..., Zombies,http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/zombies/ [4] Koch, C & Crick, C,     Consciousness, neural basis of,http://www.klab.caltech.edu/~koch/Elsevier-NCC.html [5] Jackson, F, Epiphenomenal Qualia,http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/epiphenomenal_qualia.html [6] Stergiou, C and Siganos, D,   Neural Networks,http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~nd/surprise_96/journal/vol4/cs11/report.html In ...

... Kirk, R, Zombies, http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/zombies/ [4] Koch, C & Crick, C, Consciousness, neural basis of, http://www.klab.caltech.edu/~koch/Elsevier-NCC.html [5] Jackson, F, Epiphenomenal Qualia, http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/epiphenomenal_qualia.html [6] Stergiou, C and Siganos, D, Neural Networks, http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~nd/surprise_96/journal/vol4/cs11/report.html

...dualism - Cannot be scientifically investigated - Evolution - Interaction - It contradicts a basic scientific principle Dualism without interaction - Mind/body parallelism - Occasionalism - Epiphenomenalism Physicalism Type-identity theory Criticisms of type-identity theory - No knowledge of brain processes - Properties of thoughts & of brain states - All ...

... Criticisms of dualism - Cannot be scientifically investigated - Evolution - Interaction - It contradicts a basic scientific principle Dualism without interaction - Mind/body parallelism - Occasionalism - Epiphenomenalism Physicalism Type-identity theory Criticisms of type-identity theory - No knowledge of brain processes - Properties of thoughts & of brain states - All thoughts are...

On Jul 2, 6:24 am, Paul Grieg <pgr...@yahoo.com> wrote: On Jul 1, 5:26 pm, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: On Jul 1, 5:23 am, Paul Grieg <pgr...@yahoo.com> wrote: On Jul 1, 7:53 am, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: On Jun 30, 5:59 am, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:43:20 -0700 (PDT), Paul ...

On Jul 1, 5:26 pm, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: On Jul 1, 5:23 am, Paul Grieg <pgr...@yahoo.com> wrote: On Jul 1, 7:53 am, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: On Jun 30, 5:59 am, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:43:20 -0700 (PDT), Paul Grieg <pgr...@yahoo.com> wrote: On Jun 30, 6:05 am, turtoni <turt...

Sir Frederick wrote: IMO qualia are representational illusions. Effected by "indirection" among low level brain structures. There is no magic there, only a bunch of well organized, evolved neurons. Just as there is no magic in your computer, there is no magic in your head. I also hold that life, including human life is an epiphenomena. Of course our hubris makes us demand ...