... everyone's chain and no doubt loving all the attention. He has no intention of having a rational discussion with any of you as clearly shown by his responses. You assume that Lorr is consciously doing this, but I can assure you that his mental retardation prevents him doing that. He is "for real". A total lunatic. Maybe. Still I am sure his behavior is being rewarded by ...

... would accept as such. Can't everyone see Mr. Lorr is yanking everyone's chain and no doubt loving all the attention. He has no intention of having a rational discussion with any of you as clearly shown by his responses. You assume that Lorr is consciously doing this, but I can assure you that his mental retardation prevents hime doing that. He is "for real". A total lunatic.

...from this a *correlation* may be inferred. But a correlation does not permit the nature of the relationship to be inferred -- i.e. the claim that brain activity is a *requirement* of conscious experience is a non-sequitur. If our subjective experiences didn't require a brain why do we experience having a brain? Because we are afraid of good...

...", even after I politely asked you for a reference. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdow n_of_the_Bicameral_Mind> First let's go to a url that actually says something about Janes' book: http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Consciousness-Breakdown-Bicameral-Mind/dp/0618057072 Second: read the book. Third: we can then discuss it.

> andy-k wrote: Understanding is not conscious experience, though understanding may be part of the contents of conscious experience. Don't confuse the two. How sad. Never to have experienced a 'eureka' moment: i.e., that experience of instant understanding. Even better is ...

... in message news:2t9gj.36828$Hc3.22717@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net... "thinker" wrote: <snip> Understanding is not conscious experience, though understanding may be part of the contents of conscious experience. Don't confuse the two. There are too many fallacies in your thinking on this and all you ...

... mind must eventually come to light." [...] "Consciousness seems to me to be such ...to allow the scientific investigation of consciousness. Unless and until such a time...there is no scientific investigation of consciousness. I suppose I'm a bit...see progress to the point where consciousness is taken as fundamental so ... questions of just how "primary" consciousness (I'll call it) cooperates ...

... often take an interest in consciousness, yet fail to bring the ...actual state of affairs"? That consciousness is being studied by scientists...notice that the Journal of Consciousness Studies states their purpose as...necessarily been the study of consciousness, as such, they have inadvertently...implications concerning the nature of consciousness. Also, the clinical death NDE...

... actual state of affairs"? That consciousness is being studied by scientists,...notice that the Journal of Consciousness Studies states their purpose as...necessarily been the study of consciousness, as such, they have inadvertently...has led to suggestions that consciousness continues after death. If that...implications concerning the nature of consciousness. Also, the clinical death NDE...

...from this a *correlation* may be inferred. But a correlation does not permit the nature of the relationship to be inferred -- i.e. the claim that brain activity is a *requirement* of conscious experience is a non-sequitur. If our subjective experiences didn't require a brain why do we experience having a brain? Because we are afraid of good...