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Re: Logic vs. Rhetoric: Creationists have a point     

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Author: EskWIRED
Date: Jul 5, 2008 10:18

...I hope that if anyone has absolute faith in any of the things you list, your words have dashed it. Only then can their faith be replaced by scepticism and a reliance on logic and reason, which are a better basis for beliefs. Faith is for irrational stuff. Rational scientific hypotheses need clear-headed scepticism in order to be refined and improved. Only with constant scepticism ...
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Re: Logic vs. Rhetoric: Creationists have a point     

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Author: Jerry Kraus
Date: Jul 5, 2008 08:06

... experiment was to last millions of years.  But your point is dumb.  The fact that we can't experimentally...ALL doubt is the provenance of mathematics and mathematical logic.  In the real world we prove things ...relativism.  IT DOES NOT FOLLOW. In other words, Creationists are quite reasonably criticizing scientists for using rhetoric rather than logic to justify...
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Author: skeptic griggsy
Date: Jul 4, 2008 05:35

....com> wrote: I am not a Creationist.  I don't believe in a personal ... to last millions of years.  But your point is dumb.  The fact that we can'...is the provenance of mathematics and mathematical logic.  In the real world we prove things...IT DOES NOT FOLLOW. In other words, Creationists are quite reasonably criticizing scientists for using rhetoric rather than logic...
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Re: Logic vs. Rhetoric: Creationists have a point     

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Author: skeptic griggsy
Date: Jul 4, 2008 05:21

...yahoo.com> wrote: I am not a Creationist.  I don't believe in a personal ... to last millions of years.  But your point is dumb.  The fact that we can...is the provenance of mathematics and mathematical logic.  In the real world we prove things...IT DOES NOT FOLLOW. In other words, Creationists are quite reasonably criticizing scientists for using rhetoric rather than logic...
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Re: Logic vs. Rhetoric: Creationists have a point     

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Author: Tron
Date: Jul 4, 2008 05:11

... dollar cure for cancer. Is he delusional? WTF is up with this rant? No, I think he is merely illustrating his point: How far you can go with only rhetoric and no knowledge. Very intructional; but I can't believe how many people have been suckered into trying to debate this guy who clearly ...
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Author: EskWIRED
Date: Jul 3, 2008 09:23

...Howzabout gravitational lensing? Got no answers, Jerry? Jerry says that there is no data, but when he is asked about specific data points, he stands mute.  Jerry is a liar, or is willfully ignorant. Jerry once again fails to support his wild accusations. Jerry Lies. Jerry's lies are intentional, with the goal of deceiving the innocent. Jerry...
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Author: Jerry Kraus
Date: Jul 3, 2008 08:49

...> Howsabout the Michaelson-Morley experiments?  Howzabout gravitational lensing? Got no answers, Jerry? Jerry says that there is no data, but when he is asked about specific data points, he stands mute.  Jerry is a liar, or is willfully ignorant. I'm reasonably convinced that Einstein didn't believe the theory himself, but just saw...
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Author: EskWIRED
Date: Jul 3, 2008 08:34

... Howsabout the Michaelson-Morley experiments?  Howzabout gravitational lensing? Got no answers, Jerry? Jerry says that there is no data, but when he is asked about specific data points, he stands mute. Jerry is a liar, or is willfully ignorant. I'm reasonably convinced that Einstein didn't believe the theory himself, but just ...
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Author: Jerry Kraus
Date: Jul 3, 2008 07:19

...of light???? No we have not.  Read up on the actual experiments. Are people no longer capable of distinguishing reality from abstract projections? This is largely my point. The concrete excperiments done did not constitute "abstract projections".   -- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser...
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Author: EskWIRED
Date: Jul 2, 2008 17:33

... speed of light???? No we have not. Read up on the actual experiments. Are people no longer capable of distinguishing reality from abstract projections? This is largely my point. The concrete excperiments done did not constitute "abstract projections". -- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people ...
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