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Author: Satyr
Date: Apr 27, 2007 09:19

... and in fact I shared it myself, for a time. In my case, events and experience eventually, perhaps inevitably, overtook belief and a 'new' world demanded a new world view. This is where I'm at today. You are where you are today - to your credit, really - and there's no comparing apples ...
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Author: Satyr
Date: Apr 24, 2007 07:08

... You know, I never defined what "success" looks like for everyone. For example, if someone's ideal is nomadic, they work long enough to make money to travel for months, run out of money, get a new job, repeat the cycle, then great for them. My point in this conversation isn't that people must conform to my vision of success, or achieve some ultimate goal. I just don't think you can ...
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Author: mika
Date: Apr 23, 2007 15:46

... know, I never defined what "success" looks like for everyone. For example, if someone's ideal is nomadic, they work long enough to make money to travel for months, run out of money, get a new job, repeat the cycle, then great for them. My point in this conversation isn't that people must conform to my vision of success, or achieve some ultimate goal. I just don't think you can separate a ...
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Author: Satyr
Date: Apr 20, 2007 05:38

...: "While there are a couple of particular rituals that people do to try to achieve "KCHGA", as far as I'm concerned, actually experiencing knowledge and conversation with one's 'holy guardian ... the motions' and does not bravely apply what is learned to one's life, then the KCHGA ritual will pretty much be impotent, and what seems to be one's HGA will more likely be...
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Author: Satyr
Date: Apr 20, 2007 05:36

... exercise in itself, to be sure, I can easily imagine someone spending a lifetime at it, without ever really coming "face-to-face" with the one who wears the mask. And it doesn't cause KCHGA. In fact, it may well hinder it. I think so. It's like trying to pick up a pencil: strictly speaking, you can't. You either pick it up or you don't. "There is no 'try'",...
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Author: hY
Date: Apr 20, 2007 02:17

...it is unmistakable. Another word for it is Samadhi. The C also appears related to "Communion" which might be related to "Unity", which leads back to Gnosis and Samadhi. The KCHGA is an extremely empowering experience, sometimes perhaps too powerful, which is why various Mystic schools stress that much work on balancing is needed beforehand (the LBRP and MPE). Unless you ...
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Author: Ludwig Prinn
Date: Apr 19, 2007 21:36

... use and meditation. Too often, that usefulness is sorely abused and even simple things become unnecessarily complicated in the act of fitting them into a complex context. Exactly. It's a map, not the terrain. I have no idea how many new sailors we conned into standing out on the forecastle, searching for first sign of the International Date Line. Indeed.
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Author: Ludwig Prinn
Date: Apr 19, 2007 21:34

... useful exercise in itself, to be sure, I can easily imagine someone spending a lifetime at it, without ever really coming "face-to-face" with the one who wears the mask. And it doesn't cause KCHGA. In fact, it may well hinder it. I think so. It's like trying to pick up a pencil: strictly speaking, you can't. You either pick it up or you don't. "There is no 'try'", ...
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Author: Tom
Date: Apr 19, 2007 08:51

... it for a real, honest-to-god, divinely inspired map of the cosmos, complete and self-existent in every detail. Or worse, treating it as the cosmos itself, jabbering inanely about "working through the lower spheres" as if they were actual *things* that could be "worked through". Or talking about "crossing the Abyss" and "coming back", like it's some sort of vacation trip.
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Author: Satyr
Date: Apr 19, 2007 07:26

... there, through use and meditation. Too often, that usefulness is sorely abused and even simple things become unnecessarily complicated in the act of fitting them into a complex context. Exactly. It's a map, not the terrain. I have no idea how many new sailors we conned into standing out on the forecastle, searching for first sign of the International Date Line. Indeed.
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