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Re: Group selection in the breeding of super chickens     

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Author: John W Edser
Date: Feb 13, 2008 10:41

...quoted:- "Today's models of group selection are as gene-centered...unit whose frequency changes during selection is the gene." Jablonka, _Evolution...making Hamilton's argument _classically group selective_ while simultaneously allowing r...these supposed independent levels of selection contradict each other leaving Darwin...all independent members within that group. OTOH the fitness of an...
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Author: Anon.
Date: Feb 11, 2008 10:05

... book _Evolution for Everyone_ describes two chicken breeding experiments which illustrate beautifully the ... proponents today of modern multi-level selection theory in evolutionary biology. He ... explanation. In my opinion, kin selection and reciprocal altruism can explain ... and straightforward model. Hoe does group selection explain (a) that the ...
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Author: dkomo
Date: Feb 11, 2008 10:05

...book _Evolution for Everyone_ describes two chicken breeding experiments which illustrate beautifully the...Egg production plummeted...Bill had [inadvertently] selected the meanest hens in each ...group will overwhelm altruists and prevent group selection from happening? Experiment 1 above...the unit whose frequency changes during selection is the gene." Jablonka, _Evolution in...
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Author: John W Edser
Date: Feb 11, 2008 10:05

...stalk, which is absolutely required to support the fruiting body high enough was not group selective. If cells cheat by moving to a position in the composite slug (which was...of the cells who cheated. IOW, what we are looking at here is not group selective organism fitness altruism or selfish geneism providing organism fitness altruism just organism fitness mutualism...
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Author: Guy A Hoelzer
Date: Feb 9, 2008 22:17

...these experiments. He wanted to improve chicken welfare, and try and raise yields...think his primary interest was in selection theory. Whatever the disputes around ...is still effectively a design pitting selection at the individual level against ... that the gene-centric and group-centric approaches are equivalent, but ... other people might find a group-selection approach easier in practice,...
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Author: John W Edser
Date: Feb 9, 2008 22:17

...JEB is that the gene-centric and group-centric approaches are equivalent, but that ... gene-centric approach is easier. Of course, other people might find group-selection approach easier in practice, and ... of the level at which natural selection most commonly operates." JE:- Key phrase: ... realized that only one level of selection remains reasonable. Because mathematics is not ...
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Author: Lorentz
Date: Feb 9, 2008 22:17

... book _Evolution for Everyone_ describes two chicken breeding experiments which illustrate beautifully the ... proponents today of modern multi-level selection theory in evolutionary biology. He describes...Egg production plummeted...Bill had [inadvertently] selected the meanest hens in each ... will overwhelm altruists and prevent group selection from happening? Experiment 1 ...
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Author: Lorentz
Date: Feb 9, 2008 22:17

... and will be replaced by groups where cooperation predominates and "bad"... cheaters out numbering the tolerant chickens. However, thats without predators. After,... tolerated the other chickens. Lets breed the heroic chicken. Let us...full social instincts operating. Natural selection came into full operation here...bass makes for a large selection pressure toward active altruism. Maybe...
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Author: John W Edser
Date: Feb 9, 2008 22:17

...Sexual forms can indeed be selected to become social in more ...obvious. In the chicken example the socialised group paid monocentric TDF...sociality to remain 100%% NOT group selected. The self contradiction can...heritable, then evolution by natural selection would become impossible. Each sexually...formulation that completely describes natural selection. JE:- No. TDF equalisation remains...
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Author: dkomo
Date: Feb 9, 2008 22:17

...book _Evolution for Everyone_ describes two chicken breeding experiments which illustrate beautifully the...proponents today of modern multi-level selection theory in evolutionary biology. He describes... explanation. In my opinion, kin selection and reciprocal altruism can explain simple... and straightforward model. Hoe does group selection explain (a) that the ...
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