"Neil Williams" <pacer142@gmail.com> wrote in message news:0bd46034-fd8d-41d5-9398-92f2df9ba7d8@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Mike P wrote: FWIW, I'd still rather travel 5 up in a ...licence but no car, just a motorcycle, So, it was a weekly trip on the train to Oxford every Friday without fail. The seats weren't comfy then, and it was always crowded. It was just warmer and dryer ...