"Marcel Hendrix" <mhx@iae.nl> wrote in message news:90871629193560@frunobulax.edu... "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> writes Re: Forth Frustrations [..] But now your saying that SCR doesn't operate in the same manner. Why not? Using your methodology for determining what BASE does, I ...

"Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> writes Re: Forth Frustrations [..] But now your saying that SCR doesn't operate in the same manner. Why not? Using your methodology for determining what BASE does, I will argue that when SCR is written, the system must react such that what is subsequent read from SCR is true. So if I poke a new value into SCR ...

...nl> wrote in message news:06871509193560@frunobulax.edu... "Ed" <nospam@invalid.com> writes Re: Forth Frustrations What prompted this was seeing an example of PICK and ROLL in the ... ROLL is no more abusable than is any other forth word. Recursion, for example, is abusable but I don'...be used. PICK and ROLL have their place in forth and Wil's code is an eminent example. ...

..." <jethomas5@gmail.com> wrote Re: Forth Frustrations [..] I think this approach can...a language as LSE atop Standard Forth in any reasonable way: the standard.... Again, the ambiguity of Standard Forth makes this difficult. What happens ... in LSE64, undefined in Standard Forth. Undefined in C too: of ... write it portably in Standard Forth? That's a good point....

..." <jethomas5@gmail.com> wrote Re: Forth Frustrations [..] I think this approach can ... a language as LSE atop Standard Forth in any reasonable way: the standard ..., but if you have a Forth system that happens to support full.... Again, the ambiguity of Standard Forth makes this difficult. What happens if...defined in LSE64, undefined in Standard Forth. Undefined in C too: of course...

...ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote Re: Forth Frustrations mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix...top-of variant). Well, he could frustrate such efforts by always publishing a...as the rewriter publishes the standard Forth version. A win-win situation, ... is simply impossible in standard Forth. Really? I seem to remember a...and complex special application in your Forth variant. People will want to ...

...Thomas" <jethomas5@gmail.com> wrote Re: Forth Frustrations [..] I think this approach can widen the scope for innovation. ... a language as LSE atop Standard Forth in any reasonable way: the standard ...LSE64. Again, the ambiguity of Standard Forth makes this difficult. What happens if ... defined in LSE64, undefined in Standard Forth. -- John Doty, Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. --...

... <jpd@whispertel.losetheh.net> wrote: Marcel Hendrix wrote: "J Thomas" <jethomas5@gmail.com> wrote Re: Forth Frustrations [..] I think this approach can widen the scope for innovation. That's crazy. You *cannot* build even as simple a language as LSE atop Standard Forth in any reasonable way: the standard kludges and ambiguities are in ...

... <jethomas5@gmail.com> wrote Re: Forth Frustrations [..] I think this approach can...code that runs only on their Forth, and mostly everybody else ignores them...could have something with the simplicity Forth once promised. I'll tell you...> rewrite the essence in standard Forth, Why? Most programmers don't know... the largish volume of unfamiliar Forth code that implements your on-...

...jethomas5@gmail.com> writes Re: Forth Frustrations [..] But Forth is turing-complete and...too tedious to do in standard Forth, and yet very simple with an...with a "slight" change to your Forth. Almost guaranteed to fail. Looking at... huge chess programs in our Forths and they just *work*? I ... to actually write portable Standard Forth. ... Maybe we should start writing ...