...@aol.com> wrote: Sir Frederick wrote: But then "classical notions of belief" are folk lore. As such you may dance on the head of a pin ad infinitum. Your position is externalism. That is, what makes a thought or belief real is the environment. Yes, the brain is an environment. The virtual reality supported in the environment of the human brain is considered real as a ...

Sir Frederick wrote: But then "classical notions of belief" are folk lore. As such you may dance on the head of a pin ad infinitum. Your position is externalism. That is, what makes a thought or belief real is the environment.

Rec Room wrote: John Jones wrote: imagine that water comes in two forms - H2O on earth, and XYZ on twin-earth. So, when both earthmen and twin-earthmen (who are physically alike) But the two Earthmen are not physcially alike if the body of one is largely composed of H2O and the body of the other is largely composed of XYZ. Or there is actually no ...

John Jones wrote: imagine that water comes in two forms - H2O on earth, and XYZ on twin-earth. So, when both earthmen and twin-earthmen (who are physically alike) But the two Earthmen are not physcially alike if the body of one is largely composed of H2O and the body of the other is largely composed of XYZ. Or there is actually no difference between H2O and XYZ, in order for...

... Jones <jonescard...@aol.com> wrote: Externalism - that having or not having ... on the environment. Putnam's classic argument for externalism starts with a ... are physically alike) say that 'water quenches thirst' they are expressing different beliefs. This is externalism's claim. There are many ... both positions. Both internalism and externalism rest on classical notions of ...

... dependent on the environment. Putnam's classic argument for externalism starts with a...who are physically alike) say that 'water quenches thirst' they are expressing different beliefs. This is externalism's claim. There are many ... property of the individual. Both externalism and internalism are wrong, it ... both positions. Both internalism and externalism rest on classical notions of ...

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:15:59 +0100, John Jones wrote: For example, we have no belief or knowledge that one and one are two - they simply are two, for no alternative is on offer. Huh? 1+1 is not simply just 2. 1 must be learned, the operation of addition must be learned and usually the result '2' must be learned. Until the thought process 'gets it' math is an exercise in memorization...

But then "classical notions of belief" are folk lore. As such you may dance on the head of a pin ad infinitum.

...'s good. Although I hardly think the Putnam theory of natural kinds is one of '... reference of proper names were determined by external factors. Hardly a petitio principii. ... person on Twin Earth use the term 'water' - do they refer to the same thing? When the Earther says water, he refers to H2O, but when the Twin Earther says water, presumably they refer to XYZ. As you ...

...'s good. Although I hardly think the Putnam theory of natural kinds is one of '... the reference of proper names were determined by external factors. Hardly a petitio principii. If ... the person on Twin Earth use the term 'water' - do they refer to the same thing? When the Earther says water, he refers to H2O, but when the Twin Earther says water, presumably they refer to XYZ. The result ...