... 21, 8:46 pm, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain or loss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#Controversy Land ready for growing food is finite. Energy companies want to use this land to grow plants for fuel. ...

...44 -0700, turtoni wrote: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net ... a guess that this is not really a "Ethanol Controversy" but a spun "Oil Controversy". as in: " oil must be refined into gasoline before ... banking houses or interlocking corporate boards, or just by being school buddies. This "Ethanol Controversy" is complete and total bullshit. The ...

... Jun 21, 8:46 pm, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain or loss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#Controversy Land ready for growing food is finite. Energy companies want to use this land to grow plants for fuel. ...

On Jun 21, 8:46 pm, turtoni <turt...@fastmail.net> wrote: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain or loss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#Controversy Land ready for growing food is finite. Energy companies want to use this land to grow plants for fuel. Any plants ...

... where the broadest and longest ethanol producing experiment took place, improvements...now in development that produce ethanol from agricultural waste, such as...is capable of producing enough ethanol to completely replace gasoline consumption...regulatory and tax treatment of ethanol automotive fuels introduces complexities beyond...of corn per gallon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#Controversy...

...T. wrote: Specifically, in the corn to ethanol conversion, opponents include the energy expenditure of creating the...study showed you can get 100-120 gallons of ethanol off an acre of Sorghum with only 3.5...kicker farmer could do it and then be selling Ethanol in jugs from a veggie stand on the ... took off, the BATF would loose control of Ethanol and the taxes from it. ---- Posted via...

... given the context of this post is: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain ... false, there is no dispute about whether the production of ethanol results in a net energy gain or loss. At least not... this not being considered? Specifically, in the corn to ethanol conversion, opponents include the energy expenditure of creating the corn, ...

... is no such thing as a "net energy gain or loss" when talking about the conversion of energy from one form to another. .... In given the context of this post is: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain or loss." This is how it is framed, this is how I framed my response. The only questions in the debate are (a) how efficient is ...

Daniel T. wrote: turtoni <turtoni@fastmail.net> wrote: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain or loss. No process will result in a net energy gain. That's simple physics. The important question is wether a particular process is sustainable, can the system create the fuel as fast as it is used? That is obviously not ...

turtoni <turtoni@fastmail.net> wrote: "It is disputed whether ethanol as an automotive fuel results in a net energy gain or loss. No process will result in a net energy gain. That's simple physics. The important question is wether a particular process is sustainable, can the system create the fuel as fast as it is used? That is obviously not true with Gas.