"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote in news:4bpek.245536$Ek2.90834@newsfe17.ams2: What sense of "derive" do you have in mind here? Do you mean a logical derivation, or only that we be able to produce a complex system exhibiting the property from components which lack it (as we could produce an engine which develops 240 HP from components, none of which develop any horsepower)?...

"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <1stCenturyApostolic@Traditionalist.com> wrote in message news:MKZck.207722$Ek2.96698@newsfe17.ams2... Congratulations! to those readers who have resolutely continued with the Daily Reading for the last six months. For they have now read half the Old Testament, and ALL of the New. May God bless your continued effort and dedication. Bully ...

"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote in news:PU_ck.208113$Ek2.158487@newsfe17.ams2: But there can never be certainty. There is no "essential attribute" that we can tune-into in order to decide whether or not an object is conscious. The relevant question is, Are there attributes essential for an imputation of consciousness to an entity to have explanatory value? (And if imputing it ...

"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote in news:3k3ck.201485$Ek2.48834@newsfe17.ams2: Perhaps I'm wording my point badly, so I'll try another tack. We automatically place certain kinds of object into one of two categories -- those that have the capacity for subjective states and those that don't (I'm aware that there are cases that might be troublesome to categorize, but I'm speaking of...

... "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:Hcwak.14984$LL4.10095@bignews7.bellsouth.net... "THE BORG" <borg@here.com> wrote in message news:YZdak.157656$Ek2.71629@newsfe17.ams2... "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:7W3ak.24570$s77.17267@bignews3.bellsouth.net... And that means MONEY. But to get MONEY, one seems...

dree <dree@*SPAM*.be> wrote in news:3jwak.171887$Ek2.22406@newsfe17.ams2: nog een vraagje : is er een verschil tussen de versie 2000 en 2001 ? die van 2000 is een jaar ouder?

... "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:Hcwak.14984$LL4.10095@bignews7.bellsouth.net... "THE BORG" <borg@here.com> wrote in message news:YZdak.157656$Ek2.71629@newsfe17.ams2... "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:7W3ak.24570$s77.17267@bignews3.bellsouth.net... And that means MONEY. But to get MONEY, one seems forced...

"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:Hcwak.14984$LL4.10095@bignews7.bellsouth.net... "THE BORG" <borg@here.com> wrote in message news:YZdak.157656$Ek2.71629@newsfe17.ams2... "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:7W3ak.24570$s77.17267@bignews3.bellsouth.net... And that means MONEY. But to get MONEY, one seems forced to give up ...

"THE BORG" <borg@here.com> wrote in message news:YZdak.157656$Ek2.71629@newsfe17.ams2... "tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:7W3ak.24570$s77.17267@bignews3.bellsouth.net... And that means MONEY. But to get MONEY, one seems forced to give up their freedom for most of their lives, living for a retirement that may never come. Very true. ...

"andy-k" <spam.free@last> wrote in news:gfV9k.132471$Ek2.52698@newsfe17.ams2: There is no need for certainty about the snake when hiking in the woods. But there is such a need for herpetologists and chemists working on antivenins, zoologists puzzing over the evolutionary history of snakes, and philosophers pondering their place in the scheme of things. So, if I read ...