... have to convince me that the standards need to be changed." But there's a silver lining. With every passing day it becomes more apparent to the slightly smarter than average bloke (or blokette) that things have gotten out of hand. One must hit bottom for there to be a desire for change... See minutes 1:43 - 1:54 of this video: rtsp://ibs.itu.int/archives3/wsis/200805c5/22pm.qt